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Featured in the above photo: STAP UK Participants with Long Harbour speaker, Christophe de Taurines, BBA 1986. 

By Cassie Nestor (MA International Economic Policy '23)

Visiting London, I was able to see the benefits and shortcomings of private and public ownership. Studying economics, I am accustomed to focusing on the most efficient outcomes. However, this program forced me to challenge what efficiency looks like, reexamine where different comparative advantages exist, and appreciate the need to be flexible in creating solutions with well-defined and explicit goals. There is an opportunity cost to every decision. In focusing on private sector ownership, England forgoes public sector ownership and its affinity towards social progress. In choosing public sector ownership, England forgoes private sector ownership and its profit seeking behavior that leads to the efficient use of resources and lower prices for consumers. Business and the State in London: Privatization, Nationalization, and Public-Private Partnerships exposed the tensions between the private and public sectors and the need to strike a balance between the two in such a way that neither progress nor profit are compromised. 

During this program, I was unsure that the competing goals of the public and private sectors would ever exist in cohesion and that maybe progress and profit should not mix. This notion was solidified by our first visit to Long Harbour and our discussion with Senior Advisor Christophe de Taurines. His most striking comment was when he indicated that social change is not part of their model, and that the real estate firm is unable to profit on certain people. Businesses must meet their bottom line. While disheartening, that is a reality faced by all firms; if an activity is generating a loss, the rational choice is to discontinue operations. But what was unsaid is that discontinuing operations meant that some groups were left without access to housing and other goods. These decisions often hurt the most vulnerable in a society. If left only to the private sector, poor and disadvantaged individuals would continue to have less because they are not seen as a lucrative business opportunity.  

Global Head of Infrastructure, Government and Healthcare Richard Threlfall with UK STAP group at KPMG Headquarters, Canary Wharf. 

The dichotomy of the motives between the public and private sectors was illustrated by Richard Threlfall, Global Head of Infrastructure, Government, and Healthcare at KPMG. It was during this visit that we took a macro approach to major questions and events happening in the world. Unlike Taurines, who emphasized the need to make profit, Threlfall emphasized the need for larger states and larger players to cover the costs incurred by developing countries as they make important decisions to meet their development goals. 

While discussed at the international level, the same is true at the national level. Governments are able to reach households and communities that are overlooked by the private sector and absorb the costs of providing goods and services to unprofitable communities in the name of social progress. However, when governments choose to engage in these activities, their balance sheets grow at an accelerated and dangerous rate. 

Public ownership presents its own challenges. After talking to doctors in the National Health Service (NHS), different politicians, and members of the local community, I learned that public ownership has caused health care in England to be slightly underproductive. We became aware of inefficiencies such as the long wait times and underfunding. These issues have become so prevalent that there has been a push to privatize parts of the NHS to ensure that it is able to meet the needs of the people. There is a gap that exists between the market outcome and the social outcome. This gap leaves space for the rise of private public partnerships and their keen ability to balance the need to make profit and the need to prioritize social progress. 

STAP UK 2023 participants at NHS Great Ormand Street Hospital with Dr. Daljit Hothi, Associate Medical Director. 

Public private partnerships are still very experimental, with each union leading to a unique outcome and a set of lessons learned. After listening to the speakers, I have come to accept that a happy medium between private and public ownership has yet to be discovered. This course helped me realize that while the “perfect balance” between private and public ownership will vary across industry and consumer needs, we should not be discouraged from trying. It is only then  that society will achieve both progress and profit. 

STAP UK participants on their way to the GWU UK Alumni Networking Event. 

The most beneficial aspect of this program was the knowledge received from my peers. It is easy to become siloed in one school of thought. Every tool we have to understand the world is flawed because every academic discipline emphasizes and ignores different variables that would otherwise have a significant impact on the way that we answer different questions. In staying in our traditional paradigms, we lose the possibility of asking and answering new and complex questions.  However, with classmates across different schools and professional backgrounds, ideas that I would not normally come across in my classes became major topics of discussions. These questions pushed me out of my comfort zone and helped me grow intellectually. Together, my classmates and I were able to pool our knowledge and catch many of our speakers by surprise with the complexity of our questions. 

Now having a slightly stronger working knowledge of different topics such as healthcare and climate change, two very salient topics in both the US and the UK, I am better equipped to answer complex questions that require unconventional solutions. 

Studying international economic policy, I have been fortunate enough to be part of a program that allows me to have a foot in both the world of policy through the Elliott School of International Affairs and the world of business through GWSB. By taking classes that span across both fields, I have been able to generate a dynamic understanding of the nexus between business and politics which would have been absent if I was not encouraged to take classes and learn the importance of balancing the priorities of business executives and elected officials. 

The most important lesson I will hold on to is that the private and public sectors need the other to succeed, and the success of both sectors will benefit the consumer. A strong private sector needs a strong public sector to set the rules of the road in terms of regulations and promote fair competition. A strong public sector needs a strong private sector to spur innovation, job creation, and economic growth.

The author with the River Thames in the background.

When both entities are in concert, the consumer feels empowered to participate in the economy and take responsible economic risks which will contribute to widespread prosperity. Business and the State in London is a well-designed combination of business and politics and will leave a lasting impression on my professional career.

Featured in the above photo: The group in front of Buckingham Palace. 

By Carol Baillie (MA Environmental Resource Policy '23) 

Studying abroad has been a goal of mine since I was a first-year college student back home in California. This was prior to joining the U.S. Coast Guard, which would lead me down the career path to where I am today at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and as a part-time graduate student at The George Washington University. Studying abroad in London represents the journey I have been on in life to identify my goals and academic focus. In turn, the Short Term Study Away Program (STAP) UK experience meant many things to me.

Prior to departing for the UK, I was extremely nervous about leaving behind my service dog Norm as I have both physical and mental disabilities that he assists me with on a daily basis. Additionally, it was my first international trip without my wife to help guide me through the airport customs process. I prepared a briefing book with all of the materials from G&EE, the course information and lecture materials, travel details, etc. so I wouldn’t forget anything and was exhibiting the Coast Guard motto of “Semper Paratus” or “always ready.” Even though I meticulously prepared, the unexpected happened, a moment that will forever be etched into my memory for a multitude of reasons.

The author by the canal in Winchester, ancient capital of England. 

At the end of the first official day of the program we were waiting in the lobby of KPMG when I heard the distinct sound of metal breaking. I felt an instant loosening of my carbon fiber ankle-foot orthosis (AFO) and broke into tears fearing the worst since I did not have a replacement brace with me or any materials to repair it. Instantly, without asking, several of my classmates rallied around me to lend assistance. First, they sat me down and encouraged me to relax as they worked to help find a temporary solution to fix the brace until we reached the hotel. Second, the magic of teamwork happened, my brace was “rigged” so I could continue to fully participate in the remainder of the day and program. I felt an overwhelming sense of emotions at once and the experience showed me that I could trust, something I struggle with in daily life.

Some of the biggest challenges associated with being a part-time Environmental Resource Policy graduate student were not only to make the STAP opportunity work with my job at the EPA, but also with leaving my comfort zone. My decision to study abroad was based on the following:

  1. Do I have enough work leave balance?
  2. Would I be able to study in a location that interested me?
  3. Would I be able to study material that aligns with my degree and career?
  4. Would I learn something new?

As a result, STAP UK: Business and the State was the best fit. This program served as an impetus for my recovery from my fourth surgery in three years among other “carrots”. I was determined to learn anything and everything while studying abroad including business-related topics (since it is a business course!), public-private partnerships, State owned enterprises (SOEs), and privatization of assets. What surprised me about the experience was learning not only about these topics but also about myself.

Two themes emerged in both the course theory and practice during the overseas program: net zero strategies and the role of public-private partnerships. Net zero strategy is the equivalent of climate change and greenhouse gas emissions reduction efforts in the US for those not familiar with the concept of climate change and environmental science.  

STAP UK participants with Long Harbour speaker, Christophe de Taurines, BBA 1986

Christophe de Taurines at Long Harbour introduced net zero and the UK environmental, social, and governance (ESG) framework through the Fawley waterside project. It was interesting to learn how in practice, not just in theory, the UK in comparison to the US is far less progressive when it comes to net zero and ESG. Iit was quite shocking to be frank. 

The US has no clear or enforceable national climate change standards in comparison to the UK’s net zero strategy. Furthermore, when I asked a question regarding responsible parties and the clean-up of land for the Fawley waterside project, the responsible party offered a fifty-year guarantee on the land cleanup free from contamination, a stark contrast to US standards for Superfund sites which have no guarantees. I left the meeting with Mr. Taurines more intrigued about ESG and net zero, particularly regarding his statement, “There is no ESG if it is not economically viable…there has to be economic incentives to be viable including incentives to be sustainable.” Is this true, even in the US? The answer is yes. 

Utilities and privatization were first introduced in the pre-travel course readings by Dr. David Newbery in “Privatization, Restructuring, and Regulation of Utilities,” and later reinforced by Dr. Newbery in his lecture at Cambridge University regarding “Privatisation, Restructuring, Regulation and Reform of Electricity: progress to net-zero.” I was particularly interested in the lecture because it tied together both net zero and privatization of utilities (electricity in this case!), two topics I hoped to study. 

Professor Sir David Newbery speaks to the STAP UK group at Cambridge University

Dr. Newbery’s two-part lecture explored how restructuring is essential prior to privatizing an asset which was right in line with his discussion in the pre-course reading materials. The entire lecture was extremely engaging, and I was impressed by the caliber of instruction my classmates and I were afforded through academic engagement at Cambridge University.

It pushed me to learn the role economics play in PPPs and regulation with privatization which is something I plan to share with my colleagues at the EPA. I’m glad that I took several economics courses in both my undergraduate and now graduate degree programs!

Through Dr. Newbery, I learned that to understand regulation, you can do so through the following equation: 𝑅𝑅 = 𝑏𝑏R + (1 − b)C and that it is applicable for public ownership and regulation. However, I also left his lecture with a new dream - I enjoyed Dr. Newbery’s lecture so much that I left wanting to pursue my PhD at Cambridge University in the future!

The author in front of Buckingham Palace. 

Through the STAP UK experience, I also learned independence and that I can trust others to assist me in times of need. It is okay to ask for help and receive it. Overall, I am glad that I participated in this program and highly recommend it. 

Featured in the above photo: The STAP UK 2022 group in front of Buckingham Palace. 

Reflection by Sarah Fritz, MPP student.

There are few experiences as an adult where I feel completely safe and encouraged to ask questions. At work, I do my best to come across as competent and prepared, and in class as a public policy student, I strive to quietly excel without drawing attention to myself in the classroom. Touching down in London, I was expecting more of the same. However, throughout my week as a student in Business and State: Privatization and Public-Private Partnerships, I rediscovered the joy of learning and uncovered a confidence in my curiosity.

Throughout both my undergraduate and graduate career, I have often had trouble separating education from grades. I viewed class time as a necessary hurdle to a participation score and preferred to teach myself the material. But in London, the professor’s emphasis on group discussion, alongside my peers’ engagement, allowed for a rare combination of intellectual stimulation in a low-stakes environment. As a result, our unique group culture and authentic dialogue broadened my perspective of what learning should be.

Author, Sarah Fritz, at KPMG.

STAP UK participants engaged in discussion. 

Without the pressure of an exam, I felt encouraged to genuinely interact with the presenters and drive the conversation in a direction that interested me. I subsequently learned more in one week in London than I have in months within a classroom. I found myself incentivized to research topics outside of class, fueled by a desire to meaningfully contribute to discussions and understand the perspectives of those around me.

Traveling and learning alongside students with diverse backgrounds and interests allowed class discussions to meander around a myriad of subtopics, enabling us to look at each public-private partnership through a different lens. I was consistently impressed with the knowledge of my peers and felt grateful to be in the room with them. I have heard it said, “if you are the smartest person in the room, you are in the wrong room”. This experience was a reminder that I was certainly in the right place.

While there were many interesting subjects discussed throughout our week in the UK, such as the National Health Service and the future of sustainable energy, the topic I found most beneficial to my interest in broadband policy was the concept of private equity investment in infrastructure. Throughout my research on municipally owned and operated networks, I have consistently run into the same issue: how does a rural municipality acquire the funding to build its own network? Peter Durante from the Macquarie Group provided a unique solution.

I had never considered the ability of the private sector to provide a financial cushion to municipalities experiencing high barriers to entry for building networks. Mr. Durante implored us to not count out the private sector when planning infrastructure projects, citing the ability of firms to innovate and provide data analysis alongside funding.

STAP UK participants in front of The Royal Logistics Corps Museum. 

A view of Parliament. 

Each speaker we encountered in London was genuinely passionate about their subject and had both an authentic interest and eagerness to learn from us too. For example, our conversation with Member of Parliament Carolyn Harris encouraged me to view menopause as both a complex women’s health and policy issue. Her knowledge of the subject was illuminating, but it was her passion for a solution that piqued my interest, and I deeply admired her desire to connect with the students in the room.

Our in-person discussions provided a pleasant reminder that articles and white papers can only take students so far. The opportunity to ask detailed questions of experts challenges us to be bold in our curiosity and induct our own knowledge into the conversation.

I am so grateful for my time in London with GW because I learned that remaining anonymous in the classroom was hindering my experience and devaluing my investment in education. This program gave me the tools to rediscover the confidence and curiosity within myself that had been buried by a desire to achieve. If you asked me before the trip what my metrics for success in school are, I would have said: “to get all As”. As a result of this trip, I would now answer “to both meaningfully contribute and listen to those around me…and make a few friends too”.

Featured in the above photo: GWSB alumnus Christophe de Taurines discussing his career in private equity.

Reflection by Michael Stavely, Professional MBA Student

One of the biggest regrets of my undergrad career was not participating in study abroad. Between changing majors a few times and needing to graduate, I never found the time. When I learned about the opportunities for Short Term Away Programs (STAP) at GW, I vowed I would make international education happen.

Some of my biggest challenges as a part time MBA student were how to make it work with my job, so when I was considering the short term away programs, I made my decision based on the following criteria:

  1. Is the material related to my career?
  2. Is the location dangerous for US students?
  3. Is the duration compatible with my work schedule?

The Business & the State program in the United Kingdom was the best fit.

I expected to learn about public-private partnerships. I expected to revisit a city I’ve traveled to many times and see the sights. What I did not expect was a fundamental shift in thinking surrounding the roles of the public and private sectors.

View of Big Ben in Westminster. 

 As we all know, in the United States the polarization of the government makes effective governance difficult when tackling modern threats such as the climate crisis. Just this summer, elected officials in South Carolina threatened to destroy electric vehicle charging ports primarily to protest their installation. It’s too common in the United States for decisions to be made based on emotions and immediate gain.

 

I’m used to capitalism opposing government in a seesaw balancing to protect our resources while making money. However, this experience has restored my faith that the market can correct itself and be dynamic in facing the challenges of the generation. When we met with Carolyn Harris MP and heard her describe the focus she has employed to make changes in government even in the opposition party was empowering as a citizen. Meeting private equity managers like Christophe de Taurines and Peter Durante to discuss their contributions to society while serving shareholders was empowering as a future business leader. Hearing Richard Threlfall discuss a future lead by business investing in a green infrastructure and accountability was empowering as someone who wants to live on this plant for the next 60 years.

Carolyn Harris evokes the myth of Cincinnatus, the retired Roman general who assumed the title of Dictator to save the empire then quietly returned to his farm. Her story of assuming power to serve her people after personal tragedy despite her lack of political experience is inspiring. Perhaps it is due to the differences between Congress and Parliament and the size of constituency, but the perception she emits is a caring mother who is trying to exercise the power she has, to improve her own corner of the world.

 

The most important aspect of her success is her focus. Her focus on covered funeral expenses for children, making real impact in her local community, and the effect of menopause on women’s health around the world is more akin to a master strategist defining their competitive advantage than US politicians with their kaleidoscope of issues. This focus makes her dangerous to the status quo, it makes her effective.

Carolyn Harris (MP for Swansea East) discussing her career in politics.

Peter Durante discusses contributing to society while serving shareholders. 

Private equity has never been on my radar for a potential career path, but based on Christophe and Peter’s presentations, the variety of my skills, and the ability to contemplate the larger picture make it a fit for my interests. The idea of designing a town and understanding the complexities of potential crisis situations like tidal waves or energy shortages to minimize risk is very interesting to me.

 

Additionally, from Peter’s presentation, the application of data science and regressions techniques to compare forecasted data models to actual events and identify trends is an interesting use case leveraging the rapidly developing technologies like data lake structure and automation. With my background diverging from the traditional business student with my degrees in Geography and Geology as well as my experience in data science, database engineering, defense, and national security, the marrying of my education and experiences is powerful for me shaping the future of my career. The vision of a future where I can implement all my interests excites me and identifying a potential career path early helps me focus on aspects I am currently lacking to attain that next level.

Finally, our time at KPMG provided the best fit for my skillset. Much of my education and experience has been siloed into the fields and industries they apply to. Richard’s discussion of being industry leaders and knowledge workers to combat the climate crisis excited me. As implied previously, my ideal future is one that accounts for all my personal experiences and makes the world better through my management.

 

The interdisciplinary nature of my career has propelled me as the world is not divided into subjects. From my experience with KPMG and this short term away program, they value the intersections of government, business, and other subjects to create better analysis and new insights of the world.

STAP UK participants enjoying afternoon tea. 

Because of the subject matter, the students came from a variety of backgrounds including the Public Policy and Business schools. The biggest impact of our mixed disciplinary group was the varying perspectives, assumptions, and considerations in nearly every conversation. Working with the Public Policy students to think through the complex issues of governance improved the experience and strengthened my own understanding of the business principles I have learned in the MBA program while I attempted to explain them back to the other students. While this study away program is not restricted to students finishing their degrees, the capstone aspect of these discussions helped me reaffirm my knowledge.

Overall, it was a great trip and accomplished the goals of interdisciplinary learning and experiencing how the United Kingdom handles interactions between the public and private sectors. I am happy I participated in this program and would do it again in a heartbeat.