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I regularly read Ron Charles's Washington Post Friday Book Club newsletter, always chock full of interesting topics and writers I haven't yet explored. This Friday he included a quote from controversial (accused of plagiarism) Turkish author and activist Elif Shafak

“... we are living in a world in which there is way too much information, but little knowledge and even less wisdom.… As we scroll up and down, more out of habit than out of anything else, we have no time to process what we see. No time to absorb or reflect or feel. Hyper-information gives us the illusion of knowledge. For true knowledge to be attained we need to slow down. We need cultural spaces, literary festivals, an open and honest intellectual exchange.”

This blog is my attempt to machete a trail through all the various forms of information and provide some bridge to knowledge and wisdom by providing links to reliable original sources. Speaking of which, we are now in the midst of ID Week, probably the most prestigious annual infectious diseases research conference, and many of my regular ID feeds are filled with reports of presentations. However, I virtually never include these reports in this blog, because there is no way via these abstracts to look for potential flaws or limitations in the research, and it is well known that research meeting presentation findings often change dramatically by the time they are published in a peer-reviewed journal, if they are ever published at all.

WRIS

Still pretty quiet on the Winter Respiratory Infection Season, with some hints of beginnings of influenza and RSV increasing. Perhaps the only item of interest is an increase in Mycoplasma pneumoniae activity, probably just a regular wave that tends to happen with this pathogen, though delayed somewhat due to pandemic mitigation strategies. It's not a reportable disease, so it's hard to find good data on incidence over time. As most providers know, this is a self-limited illness that produces generally mild illness (so-called walking pneumonia) and usually not worth diagnosing or treating. Because of its self-limited nature, it's been difficult to demonstrate any benefit of antibiotic treatment compared to placebo, and I doubt we'll see any placebo-controlled randomized trials in the near future.

Compared to last winter, CDC is predicting a 54% chance of a similar combined peak of respiratory illnesses, with a 28% chance of a lower peak and 18% chance of a higher peak.

Infectious Complications of Hurricanes

These tend to get less coverage than do the more obvious loss of life and property destruction occurring immediately during a natural disaster, but the Florida Department of Health is now reporting on a surge in cases of necrotizing fasciitis due to Vibrio vulnificus, a known salt and brackish water pathogen. Here are the numbers:

As a reminder, individuals with immunodeficiencies, but also particularly including chronic liver or renal disease, are at high risk for V. vulnificus complications. CDC has a good summary.

Conjunctivitis

Researchers in Colorado looked at about 200 children with acute conjunctivitis compared to a similar number of children who were either healthy or had URI without conjunctival involvement. Long story short, they found no benefit of ophthalmic ointment treatment, but did see a 20% incidence of antibiotic side effects. The study itself didn't replicate real-world situations for providers; for example, they employed broad spectrum PCR testing looking for a large number of bacteria and viruses. The study doesn't give us much direction for practical approaches to this problem but does serve as a reminder to limit topical and other antibiotic use in acute conjunctivitis in children,

Outpatient Infant Botulism?

I would never have thought of this, I've only been called for hospitalized children with infant botulism. It turns out, though, that there are rare instances of milder disease managed as outpatients. A team reviewing the California Department of Public Health data from 1976 - 2021 found 17 of 4372 cases (0.4%) were outpatients. (Note that California cases account for about 1/3 of all US infant botulism cases.) Here's the breakdown of clinical findings.

The median age at onset of symptoms was 20 weeks, with a range of 6 - 55 weeks. Only 1 child had been exposed to honey.

Polio Updates

The second round of novel oral polio type 2 vaccinations have begun in Gaza, though I haven't heard much about ceasefires to help facilitate this critical second round. Meanwhile, this week the Global Polio Elimination Initiative had to bow to reality and revise plans and timeline for polio elimination worldwide. Now, the end of 2027 is the target for elimination of wild poliovirus infections, with end of 2029 for elimination of type 2 vaccine-derived polio. This will take significantly more funding, and the greater the risk of prolonged or new wars the less likely these targets will be achieved.

The DIKW Pyramid

I'm accustomed to using the evidence-based medicine pyramid for hierarchies of study design in medicine, but in researching Dr. Shafak's quote about wisdom I happened onto the Data, Information, Knowledge, and Wisdom pyramid. It doesn't appear to incorporate anything about the role of false or misleading data, so I'm not sure if it is a helpful model in our era. As artificial intelligence becomes more entrenched (it's impossible to remove that view from Google Chrome!), we need to be even more vigilant about our data sources.

HAL 9000 looks a lot like my doorbell. Yikes!

One of the many reasons I love to read is to discover new words to add to my vocabulary. Reading Colin Dexter reminds me of the need to keep a dictionary close by.

WRIS

The US Winter Respiratory Infection Season hasn't started yet; activity is low to minimal everywhere.

Note that the map above is a new twist from CDC: rather than "Influenza-Like Illness" activity, this reflects all acute respiratory illness by not requiring fever in the definition. So, it probably picks up more of all those other respiratory viruses out there. For the 2 graphs below, just use the same link above and scroll down.

Percentage of ED visits due to the "big 3" viruses is minimal, with covid dropping dramatically.

Since I'm trying to figure out the best timing for my own flu shot, I looked at influenza A wastewater tracking:

Only Rhode Island makes it to moderate activity, all the others with data are minimal or low. Probably the key part of the map above is the number of hatched/limited coverage states. For example, New York flu A wastewater activity only includes Albany and Rochester, not much help to the New York City folks.

Given the WRIS lull, clinicians might be interested in a recent CDC overview of covid and flu management. I couldn't log on to the live presentation but reviewed the slides and took the test for (free) CME credit. The presentation was well done, I recommend it as a good review.

Forbear the Bear (Meat)

Not that long ago (5/24/24 post) I relayed a CDC report about a 2022 trichinellosis outbreak linked to frozen Canadian bear meat. Less than 5 months later, CDC is telling us about another one, this time from 2023 at a single "feast" in North Carolina. It doesn't have as much detail as the earlier report, we don't know much about the food preparation methods and none of the ill persons returned for confirmatory lab testing. It certainly sounds like trichinellosis, however; in addition to a nonspecific febrile illness, 9 of the 10 probable cases reported facial swelling which for me is a T. spiralis infection clue.

I visited a number of wild game/hunting sites to see what advice consumers of bear meat might see. Most sites correctly cautioned hunters to cook bear meat to at least 165 F internal temperature, but a few did not. Also, many mentioned other wild game meats that taste better than bear meat. I won't be ordering bear meat anytime soon, but if you are drawn to the experience check out the CDC web site or this advice from Massachusetts that also includes recipes!

Travel to Rwanda?

Last week I mentioned the Marburg virus outbreak in Rwanda, and this past week CDC upgraded a travel alert for the area which has caused quite a kerfuffle. Rwanda now has a CDC level 3 travel alert status, meaning that nonessential travel to the area should be reconsidered. Three days after the CDC advisory, WHO pushed back. WHO believes that travel restrictions will be ineffective in controlling the outbreak plus may prove harmful to local economies and serve as a disincentive for sharing of public health data from those countries, harming control efforts. These are valid concerns; choosing the proper course of action probably requires something approaching the wisdom of Solomon.

Also, an experimental Marburg vaccine has made its way to Rwanda, now primarily being used and studied in health care providers who form the bulk of new cases, plus other high risk individuals. This study is of extreme importance, and I'm hopeful that we'll see good data eventually.

OED

For a brief moment in my past, I longed to have a complete print version of the Oxford English Dictionary at my elbow. It was short-lived: the standard version comes in 20 volumes and now lists for $1000+. A bargain is the "compact" version at about half that price; it is a "photo reduction" of the original, with 9 pages of the original on each single page. It comes with its own magnifying glass.

It's a lot easier to just look at the online OED to find out that hebdomadal means "weekly." I also learned that it's not commonly used, fewer than 0.01 occurrences per million words in modern written English. Maybe I've now bumped that up to 0.02.

Dexter's Inspector Morse character, in his second installment entitled Last Seen Wearing, mentions his "regular hebdomadal debate" when faced with his weekly dilemma of whether to purchase the more cultured Sunday Times versus the coarse News of the World at the newsstand. I can see parallels to my own cultural preferences in literature, music, and art. However, the hebdomadal part of my habits clearly is this blog. Any further resemblance to Inspector Morse ends here though; he is a true, albeit fictional, polymath who happens to be a detective. I am a real-life physician who happens to have diverse interests, like most of us.

After one failed retirement attempt, I'm trying again. I just entered a new phase to decrease my coverage of inpatient telemedicine services at regional hospitals and, if demand isn't increasing terribly, I'll phase out completely. In the meantime, I'm revving up for watching the Winter Respiratory Infection Season (WRIS).

WRIS

Nothing strikingly new or concerning on the covid, influenza, and RSV fronts, according to CDC. Respiratory illnesses, wastewater levels, and ED visits are pretty flat or decreasing most places. Florida is starting to show an increase in RSV; typically that region starts sooner than the rest of the country. Of course all viral activity varies geographically, and you can look at your own region with CDC's interactive program at that link.

I admit to having some personal interest in following this closely now. I'm trying to figure out timing of my flu vaccine; as a septuagenerian I may have more rapid waning of immunity after vaccination than do younger generations, plus preliminary data from the Southern Hemisphere suggests a slightly lower flu vaccine effectiveness this year. The key term here is preliminary. These estimates are based on very low sample sizes, and estimates always change once the full season can be evaluated.

Speaking of vaccines, the UK provided a more straightforward guidance for covid vaccination this year. The eligibility groups are pretty limited:

During the 2024 autumn campaign the following groups should be offered a COVID-19 vaccine:

  • all adults aged 65 years and over including individuals aged 64 who will have their 65th birthday before the campaign ends (31st March 2025)
  • residents in a care home for older adults
  • individuals aged 6 months and over who are in a clinical risk group, as defined in tables 3 and 4 of the Green Book chapter 14a

As I've mentioned before, the UK with its National Health Service relies heavily on cost effectiveness analyses, leading to a more restricted target population than in the US.

Two Viruses on the International Scene ...

Marburg Virus in Rwanda

Marburg activity in Rwanda is increasing, and the CDC sent out an advisory last week. Marburg virus is another of the hemorrhagic fever flaviviruses, like Ebola; it has a high fatality rate. As in other hemorrhagic fever virus outbreaks, healthcare workers are at high risk if they are not careful with exposure to blood and body fluids. Most of us remember the spread of Ebola to the US, and already there's been a scare in Hamburg, Germany, but the ill traveler returning from Rwanda tested negative. The name comes from the German city of Marburg which was one of the sites (the others were Frankfurt, Germany, and Belgrade in what is now Serbia) of laboratory outbreaks of the illness in 1967, linked to African green monkeys imported from Uganda. Let's hope efforts to contain the infection are successful, but it's a tough task in low-resource regions.

Perinatal Chikungunya

A new study from Brazil suggests a relatively high rate of transmission of this virus from pregnant people to their newborn infants. The study period covered the years 2016 - 2020. Here's the summary numbers:

Symptoms in infected infants included, in addition to rash and fever, some more severe conditions like DIC, vesiculobullous eruption, seizure and encephalitis, and respiratory failure. It was both a retrospective and prospective case series, and I learned a new term: ambispective!

... But Also Some International Success

The WHO recently declared Brazil has successfully eliminated lymphatic filariasis as a public health problem, a major milestone. The only countries successful previously with filariasis were Malawi and Togo in the WHO African region; Egypt and Yemen in the Eastern Mediterranean region; Bangladesh, Maldives, Sri Lanka, and Thailand in the South-East Asian region; and Cambodia, Cook Islands, Kiribati, Lao People's Democratic Republic, Marshall Islands, Niue, Pilau, Tonga, Vanuatu, Viet Nam, and Wallis and Futuna in the Western Pacific region. Time to dig out that world map!

Filariasis is one of 20 Neglected Tropical Diseases targeted by WHO for improved control by 2030.

Lower Vaccination Rates in US Kindergartners

CDC updated vaccine coverage rates for the 2023-2024 year and, no surprise, it's dropping. The decrease may be driven at least in part by an increase in non-medical exemptions. This news doesn't bode well for future outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases, but the clinical impact is largely determined by geographic distributions at the community level. The site has a lot of data, worth some browsing, but here's a quick look at MMR coverage by state for 2023-2024:

Any state that isn't the darkest blue has high risk for outbreaks. Even within the dark blue states any pockets of poor vaccine coverage, such as communities or schools that have high rates of vaccine-averse parents, could see outbreaks.

How's Your Outpatient Antibiotic Prescribing Score?

A cross-sectional database study of about half a million antibiotic subscriptions in 2022 from Tennessee showed some interesting results. The investigators looked at both appropriateness of antibiotic choice and duration of treatment; only 31% of prescriptions were appropriate for both. Here's the quick look at optimal antibiotic choice by disease:

Here's what it looked like for duration of therapy. Standard durations reflect current guidelines, whereas contemporary durations are taken from more recent studies suggesting shorter courses are effective. The number of days in parentheses are the contemporary durations.

Again, another study worthy of browsing if you commonly prescribe antibiotics for these conditions.

November 5 is Fast Approaching

Although I'm trying to wind down my practice, it seems like my to-do list is twice as long now. We're all busy, but please don't forget to vote!

This month always bring me back to The Happenings version of "See You in September;" I remember it fondly from my junior high school era. The Harvest Month often is a transition period from summer to fall/winter infections.

The Respiratory Infection Front

Right on schedule, the ACIP published its official flu vaccine recommendations. Nothing new in there, but it's a good one-stop shopping place for seasonal flu information. Things remain calm on the overall respiratory illness view, and covid may have reached its peak.

However, I'm still waiting for covid wastewater trends to start heading down in most areas of the country (same link as above). We may not be out of the woods yet.

Also note that the covid vaccine from Novavax was authorized by FDA this week. I'll be interested to see how effectiveness compares to that of the mRNA vaccines; Novavax targets a slightly earlier variant (JN.1) than the Pfizer and Moderna products which used KP.2. KP.2 is decreasing in prevalence in the US but still is more closely related to the current variants KP.3.1.1, KP.2.3, KP.3, and LB.1.

We have more longterm follow-up information about myocarditis and covid, looking at both vaccine- and natural infection-associated complications compared to other ("conventional") etiologies. It looked specifically at individuals 12-49 years of age hospitalized with myocarditis. Without going into great detail, it was clear that vaccine-associated complications were less common than with myocarditis associated with conventional or SARS-CoV-2 infection; however, confidence intervals were wide for several of the outcomes due to low numbers of events.

I was excited to see a new update from the HIVE (Household Influenza Vaccine Evaluation) program that has been monitoring households in Michigan since 2010 and was expanded to cover other respiratory infections in later years. The new update covers the years 2015-2022. (The watermark in the figures below signifies this is an accepted manuscript that hasn't yet appeared in the print journal.) Even though it's limited to southeast Michigan, it is valuable data because it is an ongoing active surveillance program in these volunteer households and gives us a glimpse of how the pandemic affected other virus epidemiology.

Far Away Challenges

Mpox continues to rage in the DRC and other areas of Africa, with exported cases appearing in far-flung countries. In addition to vaccine, these countries need better front line diagnostic tests. WHO has requested test manufacturers to apply for emergency approval.

On the polio front in Gaza, we've all heard the good news that there will be a pause in fighting to allow for vaccine administration, but it remains to be seen if this will really happen. Regardless, this will be an extremely difficult undertaking, targeting over 600,000 unprotected children in the region.

Bugs Transmitting Bugs

Healthcare providers and the general public are understandably reeling from all the information about various outbreaks of vector-borne infections. It's important to keep in mind 2 main points: 1) Nothing is happening this year that hasn't happened before in the US. This is the season for vector-borne viral infections. 2) Global warming has increased both the range of these vectors, introducing these infections to areas that haven't seen them in past years, and also increased the season length that these infections circulate. We could see increases in all these infections in coming years.

Here's a breakdown of some of the viruses being hyped in the news.

West Nile Virus

Approximately 70-80% of infections are asymptomatic. The most feared complication, neuroinvasive disease, occurs in <1% of all infections but has a 10% mortality and higher rates of permanent neurologic sequelae such as paralysis. So far in 2024, we have had 289 cases from 33 states in the US, with 195 being neuroinvasive (reflecting the fact that only the worst cases get tested for WNV, not any change in asymptomatic rates). Here are some maps for prior years in the US:

As of now, nothing out of the ordinary for West Nile disease in the US. But, it's pretty common if you recognize that we're only identifying maybe 1% of infections.

Dengue

Here the risk is very high in Puerto Rico, but otherwise mostly restricted to travelers from the current epidemic/endemic areas. Some border states, especially Florida, are more likely to see autochthonous (locally acquired) cases. The asymptomatic infection rate is about 75%; 5% of the symptomatic infections progress to severe dengue with capillary leak syndrome and/or hemorrhagic complications. IMPORTANT CLINICAL PEARL: severe dengue usually appears when things otherwise look good - start of afebrile phase after 2-7 days of the febrile phase. This is the time to be very vigilant if dengue is suspected. The slide below (#42 in the pdf) is taken from a wonderful IDSA/CDC Clinician Call webinar this past week, available at https://www.idsociety.org/globalassets/idsa/multimedia/clinician-call-slides--qa/8-28-2024-clinician-call.pdf and https://www.idsociety.org/multimedia/clinician-calls/cdcidsa-clinician-call-update-on-dengue--other-vector-borne-diseases/.

Here are some numbers from the main CDC website above.

For 2024, the only locally acquired cases in the US have been in Puerto Rico (2676 cases), US Virgin Islands (85), and Florida (21), though those numbers are certain to rise since the season isn't over and reporting in general is delayed. If you add in the travel-associated cases, we've seen a little over 4000 in the US.

Oropouche Virus

This is a relatively mild illness for the most part. The asymptomatic infection rate is around 40%, but 4% of those with symptoms will develop neuroinvasive disease. Now there is concern for vertical transmission in pregnant people, still not completely clear. Management guidelines for infants with possible intrauterine infection are updated and available.

Although I was aware of Oropouche virus previously, this is the first year I've ever heard of the term "sloth fever" which only applies if you acquire the infection in the jungle. This is a slide from that same IDSA/CDC webinar, slide 69 in the pdf.

Oropouche may be over with in South America now, and the main risk area remaining is Cuba. CDC reported 21 US cases in travelers returning from Cuba.

Eastern Equine Encephalitis

Saving the worst for last. It's very uncommon, but you definitely don't want EEE. The encephalitis picture occurs in <5% of those infected with EEE virus, but of those with encephalitis the mortality rate is 30%, and 50% of survivors have permanent sequelae.

We've had 4 cases in 2024 so far. Here's data from prior years:

This is a horrible disease. Certainly precautions such as mosquito spraying and personal protection from bites should be implemented in areas where the virus has been identified.

Earworms

Not wanting to end on a depressing note from the rare but severe EEE disease, I thought of earworms. I'm not referring to the real earworm infecting corn ears, nor RFK Jr.'s brain worm, but rather the more contemporary use of the term. Last week I went down the rabbit hole for the Maurice Williams song "Stay," and this entire past week I've been unable to get it out of my head. Maybe I'll replace it with "See You in September."

I had expected last week's ACIP meeting to include more presentations and discussions about which covid strain to include in our fall vaccine. I viewed only a small portion of the meeting live (darn those pesky patient care issues!), so I probably missed any brief mention of strains; the slides themselves didn't address strain selection, other than to go with the FDA's statement for use of JN.1 lineage with preference for KP.2 if possible. I still found some interesting details about covid and nirsevimab and will share those with you. Perhaps meh is a bit of a harsh judgement, but I love the word.

In the meantime, thankfully still not much going on in the pediatric infectious diseases world this summer.

Love That New Technology

The CRISPR technology has been in the news for a long time. In case you had forgotten, like I did, it stands for Clustered Regularly Interspaced Short Palindromic Repeats and is now reported to have high sensitivity and specificity for detecting antiviral drug resistance and influenza subtype rapidly enough to be used as a point-of-need assay. The study itself requires journal subscription (thank you, GWU faculty status) to read in full. Investigators studied influenza isolates from the 2020-21 season looking primarily at AH1N1 and AH3N2 strains. The report is highly technical, beyond my ability to critique the laboratory methods, but the take-home message is important: if such a method is scalable (e.g. cheap enough) to employ across the world, including in resource-poor communities, it would be a boon to early warnings of resistant and/or new flu strains. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I must applaud scientists in this realm for their acronym constructions: in addition to CRISPR and others, they also used DETECTR (DNA endonuclease-targeted CRISPR trans reporter) and SHERLOCK (Specific High-sensitivity Enzymatic Reporter unLOCKing) assays. Elementary, my dear Watson. (And, that phrase never appeared in any of Arthur Conan Doyle's writings!)

Dengue HAN

Perfect timing after my mention of dengue last week, the CDC issued a Health Alert Network warning about dengue in the US. According to the Pan American Health Organization, early signs are that cases in the Americas this year will exceed last year's numbers, a year that was already much higher than previous years. Here's an example from the report of what's going on in the Caribbean subregion:

Puerto Rico is under a healthcare emergency because of dengue, and we will certainly have cases of autochthonous (acquired in the US without travel to an endemic area) transmission in the mainland US again this year, primarily in Florida and other southern states. The HAN is worth reading.

This would be a good time to review clinical presentations of dengue and be prepared to investigate/obtain consultation for suspected cases.

Pustules and Vesicles in Afebrile Infants <60 Days of Age

Pediatrics had a nice retrospective review of 183 infants from 6 academic hospital-based pediatric dermatology practices. It's open access and has a nice suggested management algorithm.

Note the first branch in the algorithm details key features to decide whether HSV evaluation and treatment is recommended.

ACIP Meeting Highlights

The regular meeting was spread over 3 days last week. Slides are posted, and I picked out a few that contained interesting new information.

First, even with all the problems of supply chain and late administration, nirsevimab appears to have been incredibly effective in preventing RSV hospitalizations and healthcare visits.

Yes, that's about 98% effectiveness in preventing hospitalization, with very narrow confidence intervals. When this slide was shown it elicited a round of applause from the committee members. This is truly remarkable. Similar results were seen using a different RSV surveillance method. Both the above and below slides are from the Payne presentation on June 28.

It appears we'll have better availability of nirsevimab for the next RSV season, so please prepare for that. I find myself fantasizing of some future day when new pediatric trainees won't see hordes of infants hospitalized with RSV bronchiolitis, with worried parents at the bedside.

Second, although I mentioned I didn't see any new data/discussion about strain selection, the covid vaccine discussion had useful updates about epidemiology and risk factors, mainly from the Haver presentation on June 27.

About half of children hospitalized for covid had no underlying risk factors; we already knew that, but here's a more detailed breakdown. Note that these numbers are for the past year, at time when virtually all US children had some prior antibody from infection and/or vaccine.

Here is the vaccination status, including the low numbers who received the 2023-24 version, of the hospitalized children:

One BIG disappointment for me with the presentations: there was no mention of a control group - i.e. what are the rates of underlying medical conditions and 2023-24 vaccine status in the pediatric population as a whole? Adjusting for rates in the general population would provide a better estimate of the relative contributions of risk factors and vaccination to more serious outcomes and give us a better handle on the magnitude of benefit of vaccination, for example. Still, nothing has changed; for the individual child, covid vaccination is better than not being vaccinated, even factoring in the low rates of serious outcomes and adverse vaccine events in children.

The 2023-24 vaccine was highly effective against emergency department and urgent care visits in all age groups, though waning of protection over time was seen. Lack of enough events of hospitalized children precluded reliable estimates of VE against pediatric hospitalizations. (Link-Gelles presentation June 27.)

Bird Flu

Exciting (to me) news that CDC is collaborating with the Michigan health officials to carry out a seroprevalence study for H5N1 infection in Michigan dairy workers. This should produce much better information about asymptomatic and mild infection in humans and possibly lead to more clues about transmission.

Covid Uptick?

Still a question, but positive test percentages are increasing, albeit at a low level and predominantly driven by western states.

Wastewater variant detection is lacking across the country, see all the block dots (no sequencing data) below, but you can magnify your area of the country and find a few sites with enough data to determine predominant covid strain.

For example, in my neck of the woods most of the sites have no sequencing data. Of the 2 that did, one showed a predominance of KP.2 and the other LB.1. Nationally, KP.3 is starting to exceed KP.2. Again, we're still at low numbers.

A Tip of the Hat to "The Simpsons."

I knew that "meh" might have been adopted from a Yiddish term meaning so-so or unimpressive, but it looks like a 1994 episode of the TV series The Simpsons, featuring ultraconservative Sideshow Bob, popularized the term. Lisa Simpson was investigating voter fraud as the reason Sideshow Bob was elected as Springfield's mayor, and the "meh" word was uttered by a Hall of Records bureaucrat when Lisa expressed disbelief that he would give her the entire mayoral voting records that should have been kept secret. (Thie episode is available only with subscription, but I verified the quote at about 15:30 time in the recording.)

Voter fraud 30 years ago?